Comments on: Confirmation: Biodiesel Not to Blame in Minnesota http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/ Alternative Fuel News Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:59:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Davis http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-111444 John Davis Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:16:52 +0000 http://domesticfuel.com/?p=9144#comment-111444 Sam, Once again... breaking my own rule here... but I have a couple of questions, and since you're a mechanic, maybe you can answer it. I understand that 20 percent might have more problems in cold weather. But the mandate is just 2 percent. Wouldn't that be different (as far as gelling goes)? And why did just this one district have trouble? Aren't all Minnesota school buses running the 2 percent? If biodiesel was really the problem, wouldn't ALL districts have had trouble? John Sam,

Once again… breaking my own rule here… but I have a couple of questions, and since you’re a mechanic, maybe you can answer it. I understand that 20 percent might have more problems in cold weather. But the mandate is just 2 percent. Wouldn’t that be different (as far as gelling goes)? And why did just this one district have trouble? Aren’t all Minnesota school buses running the 2 percent? If biodiesel was really the problem, wouldn’t ALL districts have had trouble?

John

]]> By: Sam http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-111442 Sam Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:30:43 +0000 http://domesticfuel.com/?p=9144#comment-111442 Don't believe a thing that it wasn't the fault of biodiesel. As a mechanic for one of the top ten cities in Minnesota I have to run 20% bio. This page isn't long enought to tell you the problems I have and the BS I have to listen to by the people trying to promote it. The transport drivers can't even get it to drain out of their tankers. Don’t believe a thing that it wasn’t the fault of biodiesel. As a mechanic for one of the top ten cities in Minnesota I have to run 20% bio. This page isn’t long enought to tell you the problems I have and the BS I have to listen to by the people trying to promote it. The transport drivers can’t even get it to drain out of their tankers.

]]> By: John Davis http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-111419 John Davis Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:40:29 +0000 http://domesticfuel.com/?p=9144#comment-111419 Usually I don't like to comment because I like to give you guys your say, since I've had mine. But I did want to make just a couple of comments on this post. Robert, The picture I used was just a generic bus picture that I had used some time back... not necessarily representative of the ones that actually broke down. Thanks for your offer of the picture of the correct bus, but since it's not in the public domain, and I could be talking bad about that model without the company's permission, it didn't seem right to use it. Erring on the side of caution, I removed the picture completely. Dave Andersen, You make a good point about the company with a vested interest finding it was not the biodiesel's fault. But I think a lot of the critics are ignoring the fact that it was -20 to -30 degrees F over the ENTIRE state! If it was biodiesel's fault, why did just this one district have trouble when EVERYONE was using it on that day? In addition, growing up in Northwest Iowa, I can recall a couple of days when school got canceled because of extreme cold weather. It gelled the petroleum diesel (no biodiesel back then). Anyway, you make a good point about having someone independent investigate. I'd like to hear what they have to say. John Usually I don’t like to comment because I like to give you guys your say, since I’ve had mine. But I did want to make just a couple of comments on this post.

Robert,

The picture I used was just a generic bus picture that I had used some time back… not necessarily representative of the ones that actually broke down. Thanks for your offer of the picture of the correct bus, but since it’s not in the public domain, and I could be talking bad about that model without the company’s permission, it didn’t seem right to use it. Erring on the side of caution, I removed the picture completely.

Dave Andersen,

You make a good point about the company with a vested interest finding it was not the biodiesel’s fault. But I think a lot of the critics are ignoring the fact that it was -20 to -30 degrees F over the ENTIRE state! If it was biodiesel’s fault, why did just this one district have trouble when EVERYONE was using it on that day? In addition, growing up in Northwest Iowa, I can recall a couple of days when school got canceled because of extreme cold weather. It gelled the petroleum diesel (no biodiesel back then).

Anyway, you make a good point about having someone independent investigate. I’d like to hear what they have to say.

John

]]> By: Robert Pritchett http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-111412 Robert Pritchett Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:21:03 +0000 http://domesticfuel.com/?p=9144#comment-111412 1) Get the right bus picture for the troublesome Daimler Truck Thomas Built MVP-EF. http://www.thomasbus.com/bus-models/type-d/ 2) These particular buses do not use heated filters, like their competitors use. http://www.usrecallnews.com/2008/12/nhtsa-2665.html 3) Read the report. 4) We added the correct information in our Biodiesel section on PESWIki. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Biodiesel 1) Get the right bus picture for the troublesome Daimler Truck Thomas Built MVP-EF.

http://www.thomasbus.com/bus-models/type-d/

2) These particular buses do not use heated filters, like their competitors use.

http://www.usrecallnews.com/2008/12/nhtsa-2665.html

3) Read the report.

4) We added the correct information in our Biodiesel section on PESWIki.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Biodiesel

]]> By: Bob Moffitt http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-111406 Bob Moffitt Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:26:35 +0000 http://domesticfuel.com/?p=9144#comment-111406 Thanks for spreading the news, John. Even this morning, after a number of sources have gotten the details of what happened to a few older buses in one school district, a national Fox News host is still blaming the biodiesel! Thanks for spreading the news, John.

Even this morning, after a number of sources have gotten the details of what happened to a few older buses in one school district, a national Fox News host is still blaming the biodiesel!

]]> By: Glenn Beck and other BioFools | Minneapolis Metblogs http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-111405 Glenn Beck and other BioFools | Minneapolis Metblogs Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:19:31 +0000 http://domesticfuel.com/?p=9144#comment-111405 [...] reports that biodiesel caused the mechanical problems with a few, older buses stored outdoors are not true. Today I see Fox News “personality” Glenn Beck continues to spin out of control with [...] [...] reports that biodiesel caused the mechanical problems with a few, older buses stored outdoors are not true. Today I see Fox News “personality” Glenn Beck continues to spin out of control with [...]

]]> By: Dave Andersen http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-111400 Dave Andersen Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:18:34 +0000 http://domesticfuel.com/?p=9144#comment-111400 From the story: "The report issued Friday by Meg Corp. and paid for by the distributor that supplied the fuel, Yokum Oil..." So, if Halliburton investigated Halliburton, and found that Halliburton did nothing wrong, should it be reported as fact? Perhaps an independent investigator is called for. From the story: “The report issued Friday by Meg Corp. and paid for by the distributor that supplied the fuel, Yokum Oil…”

So, if Halliburton investigated Halliburton, and found that Halliburton did nothing wrong, should it be reported as fact?

Perhaps an independent investigator is called for.

]]> By: Confirmation: Biodiesel Not to Blame in Minnesota http://domesticfuel.com/2009/01/22/confirmation-biodiesel-not-to-blame-in-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-111397 Confirmation: Biodiesel Not to Blame in Minnesota Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:37:02 +0000 http://domesticfuel.com/?p=9144#comment-111397 [...] Domestic Fuel [...] [...] Domestic Fuel [...]

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