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		<title>By: B8emup</title>
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		<dc:creator>B8emup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Race cars have been running on ethanol for years.  That&#039;s not by accident.  In the racing game, the guy with the most horsepower generally runs up front (all else being equal).  I do however agree with mog - many obstacles to overcome.  It&#039;s very difficult to redirect such a massive public inertia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Race cars have been running on ethanol for years.  That&#8217;s not by accident.  In the racing game, the guy with the most horsepower generally runs up front (all else being equal).  I do however agree with mog &#8211; many obstacles to overcome.  It&#8217;s very difficult to redirect such a massive public inertia.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard  Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard  Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, we used to run our cars off of corn whiskey and or drip gas,  I dont see why this seems so amassing. I&#039;m From W.Va and when I was a young man , it was some times necessary and those old cars could be made to run like hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, we used to run our cars off of corn whiskey and or drip gas,  I dont see why this seems so amassing. I&#8217;m From W.Va and when I was a young man , it was some times necessary and those old cars could be made to run like hell.</p>
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		<title>By: mog</title>
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		<dc:creator>mog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, it could be done, it wouldn&#039;t even be that difficult, to make this happen.  Engines were built ten years ago on ethanol-based fuels that turned out significantly higher hp and mpg than gasoline.  

Distribution infrastructure:  There are no pipelines to gas stations, just trucks.  Regional ethanol production rather than centralized petro refining could actually reduce overall energy usage and impact [factor in costs of oil shipping, pipelines don&#039;t grow on trees, either]

GM did come up with this idea, then canned it because they couldn&#039;t sell it.  GM has always placed marketing ahead of engineering, it is how they became #1, then #2, and why they are falling fast to the bottom of the pile.  

GM and Ricardo are still working on it, as are Delphi and Wayne State U, and Ford and EBS.  A lot of people are working on alcohol fuels because of the possibilities, but there is a high and steep PR mountain to climb, and vested interests such as Oil keep adding to the mountain.

Still, I have my doubts about this one.  Some of these things really work.  Herman Wouk [author, War and Remembrance] had a brother who built a hybrid back in the &#039;70s.  Yes, it worked, and came to nothing.  There is not enough room here to post all the woulda-been, coulda-been ideas dating back to Henry Ford and Thomas Edison working together against Rockefeller [THERE is a conspiracy story!] and the cars that might have made a difference if:  
1] They got enough investment to mass-produce 
2] They got dealers to buy cars to put out there  
3] They could get people to buy the cars.
4]They could beat back the critics

GM made efficient cars, so did Ford, Chrysler.  Most people didn&#039;t like them [too small, too slow, too &#039;cheap&#039;] and the people that did like them were concerned about safety.  In light of the fact that little is said about how dangerous many SUVs and trucks are, it makes you wonder....

Because of all of this, I don&#039;t doubt their claims that it CAN be done, just the idea that it WILL be done.  Those who don&#039;t pay attention to history are doomed to repeat it.  [Bye-bye Tesla.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, it could be done, it wouldn&#8217;t even be that difficult, to make this happen.  Engines were built ten years ago on ethanol-based fuels that turned out significantly higher hp and mpg than gasoline.  </p>
<p>Distribution infrastructure:  There are no pipelines to gas stations, just trucks.  Regional ethanol production rather than centralized petro refining could actually reduce overall energy usage and impact [factor in costs of oil shipping, pipelines don't grow on trees, either]</p>
<p>GM did come up with this idea, then canned it because they couldn&#8217;t sell it.  GM has always placed marketing ahead of engineering, it is how they became #1, then #2, and why they are falling fast to the bottom of the pile.  </p>
<p>GM and Ricardo are still working on it, as are Delphi and Wayne State U, and Ford and EBS.  A lot of people are working on alcohol fuels because of the possibilities, but there is a high and steep PR mountain to climb, and vested interests such as Oil keep adding to the mountain.</p>
<p>Still, I have my doubts about this one.  Some of these things really work.  Herman Wouk [author, War and Remembrance] had a brother who built a hybrid back in the &#8217;70s.  Yes, it worked, and came to nothing.  There is not enough room here to post all the woulda-been, coulda-been ideas dating back to Henry Ford and Thomas Edison working together against Rockefeller [THERE is a conspiracy story!] and the cars that might have made a difference if:<br />
1] They got enough investment to mass-produce<br />
2] They got dealers to buy cars to put out there<br />
3] They could get people to buy the cars.<br />
4]They could beat back the critics</p>
<p>GM made efficient cars, so did Ford, Chrysler.  Most people didn&#8217;t like them [too small, too slow, too 'cheap'] and the people that did like them were concerned about safety.  In light of the fact that little is said about how dangerous many SUVs and trucks are, it makes you wonder&#8230;.</p>
<p>Because of all of this, I don&#8217;t doubt their claims that it CAN be done, just the idea that it WILL be done.  Those who don&#8217;t pay attention to history are doomed to repeat it.  [Bye-bye Tesla.]</p>
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		<title>By: ohiogassolutions</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohiogassolutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM didn&#039;t come out with it because they&#039;re in bed with the oil companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM didn&#8217;t come out with it because they&#8217;re in bed with the oil companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mepps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mepps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kwolek

‘Makes you wonder why GM, with all their billions and all their engineers, didn’t come up with this.&#039;&quot;

They didn&#039;t come up with it because it&#039;s a SCAM, FOOL. Don&#039;t be such naive idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kwolek</p>
<p>‘Makes you wonder why GM, with all their billions and all their engineers, didn’t come up with this.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t come up with it because it&#8217;s a SCAM, FOOL. Don&#8217;t be such naive idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work across the street from the new production plant for the HP2G motor. They held their grand opening yesterday. Pretty impressive considering their &quot;garage inventor&quot; roots. I&#039;ve followed their progress from the start and it is fully tested. It does what they say it does and it&#039;s on its way. Check out HP2G.com for details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work across the street from the new production plant for the HP2G motor. They held their grand opening yesterday. Pretty impressive considering their &#8220;garage inventor&#8221; roots. I&#8217;ve followed their progress from the start and it is fully tested. It does what they say it does and it&#8217;s on its way. Check out HP2G.com for details.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a breakthrough.  All of you who want to pooh pooh this, just standby and watch it happen.

Ethanol distribution is expanding nationwide.  The 2000th E85 station opened yesterday.   Cellulosic ethanol is on the rise.  Several model plants are now open and the first commerical plant will be open by the first quarter of 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a breakthrough.  All of you who want to pooh pooh this, just standby and watch it happen.</p>
<p>Ethanol distribution is expanding nationwide.  The 2000th E85 station opened yesterday.   Cellulosic ethanol is on the rise.  Several model plants are now open and the first commerical plant will be open by the first quarter of 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not going to hold my breath. Douglas Pelmear showed off another car, a Mustang I think, that he claimed to get over 100mpg. He did some burnouts and stuff for reporters. But as far as I know, he has never actually demostrated that he can actually achieve this kind of gas mileage. I think he is full of hot air, and is going to string this out as long as he can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not going to hold my breath. Douglas Pelmear showed off another car, a Mustang I think, that he claimed to get over 100mpg. He did some burnouts and stuff for reporters. But as far as I know, he has never actually demostrated that he can actually achieve this kind of gas mileage. I think he is full of hot air, and is going to string this out as long as he can.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t a game changer.  Good?  Yes.  There isn&#039;t a USA wide distribution network for ethanol.  Ethanol can&#039;t completely replace gasoline.  Cons aside, this is a great idea and it should be very successful if true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a game changer.  Good?  Yes.  There isn&#8217;t a USA wide distribution network for ethanol.  Ethanol can&#8217;t completely replace gasoline.  Cons aside, this is a great idea and it should be very successful if true.</p>
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		<title>By: E85 Revenge Verde: a 110 MPGe super car coming in December &#124; Car Reviews, Listings &#38; News</title>
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		<dc:creator>E85 Revenge Verde: a 110 MPGe super car coming in December &#124; Car Reviews, Listings &#38; News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 23:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Domestic Fuel, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: E85 Revenge Verde: a 110 MPGe super car coming in December &#124; Only Hybrids</title>
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		<dc:creator>E85 Revenge Verde: a 110 MPGe super car coming in December &#124; Only Hybrids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Domestic Fuel, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kwolek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kwolek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘Makes you wonder why GM, with all their billions and all their engineers, didn’t come up with this. Instead, GM gives you the world changing flexi-fuel engine that gets less MPG than gasoline and is Not OPTIMIZED for ethanol. Did GM know about this technology, and did they suppress it? Do you wonder why the new wave of diesel engines were re-designed, so they can’t run on 100% biodiesel? Same strategy. 

A garage inventor, Mr. Douglas Pelmear, now President and CEO of HP2G LLC, an Ohio based engine company, gives us this 110 MPGe 400 HP ethanol engine.  

The car is made by President and CEO Peter Collorafi of Revenge Designs Inc., using Pelmear’s HP2G LLC 100 MPGe engine. Revenge Designs Inc. also plans to set-up a network of installation centers to install the engine in your vehicle. If you want more information on this, pull-up the article at “Marketwire”: 

Revenge Designs Inc. Signs Agreement with 110 MPGe Engine Company, HP2G LLC

How big is this? It’s a game changer. This engine technology will enable us to replace foreign oil with domestic fuel. This is going to elevate the use of ethanol, and it underscores the significance of the fuel. 

Regardless of the fact that ethanol has only 75% of the BTU content, it has other characteristics, like higher octane, faster flame speed, and faster vaporization rate, that can be exploited to outperform gasoline. That’s what this engine does, using turbo-charging, high compression, and computerized timing optimized for ethanol. 

Imagine, a high-torque 100 MPGe ethanol engine that can go into pick-ups, tractors, and even long haul trucks. The use of ethanol will be 5 times more efficient than conventional fuels. And domestic ethanol could be used to produce and transport the ethanol feedstock and the fuel itself. This will greatly improve the energy balance of ethanol, the ratio of the energy you get out compared to the energy you put in. If you get out 5 times more MPG, and you use local ethanol to produce and ship ethanol, Indirect Land Use Change will be invalidated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Makes you wonder why GM, with all their billions and all their engineers, didn’t come up with this. Instead, GM gives you the world changing flexi-fuel engine that gets less MPG than gasoline and is Not OPTIMIZED for ethanol. Did GM know about this technology, and did they suppress it? Do you wonder why the new wave of diesel engines were re-designed, so they can’t run on 100% biodiesel? Same strategy. </p>
<p>A garage inventor, Mr. Douglas Pelmear, now President and CEO of HP2G LLC, an Ohio based engine company, gives us this 110 MPGe 400 HP ethanol engine.  </p>
<p>The car is made by President and CEO Peter Collorafi of Revenge Designs Inc., using Pelmear’s HP2G LLC 100 MPGe engine. Revenge Designs Inc. also plans to set-up a network of installation centers to install the engine in your vehicle. If you want more information on this, pull-up the article at “Marketwire”: </p>
<p>Revenge Designs Inc. Signs Agreement with 110 MPGe Engine Company, HP2G LLC</p>
<p>How big is this? It’s a game changer. This engine technology will enable us to replace foreign oil with domestic fuel. This is going to elevate the use of ethanol, and it underscores the significance of the fuel. </p>
<p>Regardless of the fact that ethanol has only 75% of the BTU content, it has other characteristics, like higher octane, faster flame speed, and faster vaporization rate, that can be exploited to outperform gasoline. That’s what this engine does, using turbo-charging, high compression, and computerized timing optimized for ethanol. </p>
<p>Imagine, a high-torque 100 MPGe ethanol engine that can go into pick-ups, tractors, and even long haul trucks. The use of ethanol will be 5 times more efficient than conventional fuels. And domestic ethanol could be used to produce and transport the ethanol feedstock and the fuel itself. This will greatly improve the energy balance of ethanol, the ratio of the energy you get out compared to the energy you put in. If you get out 5 times more MPG, and you use local ethanol to produce and ship ethanol, Indirect Land Use Change will be invalidated.</p>
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