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		<title>By: Automotive &#187; Biofuels Alliance Disputes Virginia Research</title>
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		<dc:creator>Automotive &#187; Biofuels Alliance Disputes Virginia Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you might remember from my post back on January 22, 2010, a study headed by Andres Clarens said that “algae’s environmental footprint is larger than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Algae Biofuels Alliance Disputes Virginia Research - Domestic Fuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Algae Biofuels Alliance Disputes Virginia Research - Domestic Fuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you might remember from my post back on January 22, 2010, a study headed by Andres Clarens said that &#8220;algae’s environmental footprint is larger than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Biodiesel Maker Contends Study Proves Algae&#8217;s Worth - Domestic Fuel</title>
		<link>http://domesticfuel.com/2010/01/22/algae-might-not-be-as-green-as-crops-for-biodiesel/comment-page-1/#comment-118571</link>
		<dc:creator>Biodiesel Maker Contends Study Proves Algae&#8217;s Worth - Domestic Fuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you might remember from my story last week, University of Virginia researchers have concluded that algae’s environmental footprint is larger [...]</description>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a huge problem with this study not mentioned in the ABO response.  The study assumes that the algae biomass and the entire corn, switchgrass, and rapeseed plant are all dried and burned.  It then compares the energy produced by burning of the various alternatives.  That assumption is fine for the terrestrial crops because they are not well suited to other uses.  But after the oil is extracted from algae, the remainder of the material is high in protein and carbohydrate and will make excellent animal feed.  If they wanted to compare the crops fairly, they should have looked at the nutrients and energy that would be required to produce and equivalent amount of oil and high quality feed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a huge problem with this study not mentioned in the ABO response.  The study assumes that the algae biomass and the entire corn, switchgrass, and rapeseed plant are all dried and burned.  It then compares the energy produced by burning of the various alternatives.  That assumption is fine for the terrestrial crops because they are not well suited to other uses.  But after the oil is extracted from algae, the remainder of the material is high in protein and carbohydrate and will make excellent animal feed.  If they wanted to compare the crops fairly, they should have looked at the nutrients and energy that would be required to produce and equivalent amount of oil and high quality feed.</p>
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		<title>By: Aureon Kwolek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aureon Kwolek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Algal Biomass Organization Responds to Faulty Algae Study

This University of Virginia Algae study, authored by Andres Clarens, has been discredited by the Algal Biomass Organization (ABO), centered in San Diego, a scientific hotbed for advanced algae production. 

Their critique of the study found numerous false assumptions. The study used outdated raceway ponds and old methods that are no longer used. The study hypothetically assumed bad results, because it falsely assumed that CO2 would be shipped-in, rather than co-locating algae production adjacent to a source of waste CO2. Thus, the study did Not credit algae for mitigation. 

In reality, algae is already being integrated into a variety of waste CO2 sources: Power plants, sewage and digester effluent, food processing waste water, manure effluent from dairy farms, poultry farms, hog farms and livestock feedlots, and corn ethanol refineries, etc.. 

The study also distorted the type of water that would be used to grow algae. It hypothetically modeled algae production that was Not co-located with a source of waste water. In real life, algae is being integrated with all types of waste water. But the study omitted environmental credits for its disposal, and for mitigating pollutants. 

For example, algae production integrated with corn ethanol waste CO2, waste water effluent “centrate”, and waste heat is already in the experimental stage at a Green Plains ethanol plant. There are many other integrated and co-located algae projects. But instead, the study used the outdated baseline, which is Not integrated and Not co-located with waste CO2 and waste water.

The ABO also says in their response, that the study uses unrealistic assumptions for nutrient use, energy use, and the purchase of CO2 and fertilizer. This throws the data way off and leads to false conclusions:

“Even with the scientific shortcomings of the survey, it shows that with a few improvements, algae is much better than terrestrial plants as a fuel source. The truth is that the algae industry is already well beyond the obvious improvements these authors suggest, and as we add these new efficiencies, algae will become much more environmentally beneficial.”
—Dr. Stephen Mayfield, director of the San Diego Center for Algae Biotechnology

See “Algal Biomass Organization Questions Findings of Recent Algae Life Cycle Study”:

“ABO said that the report was based upon obsolete data and “grossly outdated” business models, and overlooked tremendous improvements in technology and processes across the production cycle.”  (Green Car Congress)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Algal Biomass Organization Responds to Faulty Algae Study</p>
<p>This University of Virginia Algae study, authored by Andres Clarens, has been discredited by the Algal Biomass Organization (ABO), centered in San Diego, a scientific hotbed for advanced algae production. </p>
<p>Their critique of the study found numerous false assumptions. The study used outdated raceway ponds and old methods that are no longer used. The study hypothetically assumed bad results, because it falsely assumed that CO2 would be shipped-in, rather than co-locating algae production adjacent to a source of waste CO2. Thus, the study did Not credit algae for mitigation. </p>
<p>In reality, algae is already being integrated into a variety of waste CO2 sources: Power plants, sewage and digester effluent, food processing waste water, manure effluent from dairy farms, poultry farms, hog farms and livestock feedlots, and corn ethanol refineries, etc.. </p>
<p>The study also distorted the type of water that would be used to grow algae. It hypothetically modeled algae production that was Not co-located with a source of waste water. In real life, algae is being integrated with all types of waste water. But the study omitted environmental credits for its disposal, and for mitigating pollutants. </p>
<p>For example, algae production integrated with corn ethanol waste CO2, waste water effluent “centrate”, and waste heat is already in the experimental stage at a Green Plains ethanol plant. There are many other integrated and co-located algae projects. But instead, the study used the outdated baseline, which is Not integrated and Not co-located with waste CO2 and waste water.</p>
<p>The ABO also says in their response, that the study uses unrealistic assumptions for nutrient use, energy use, and the purchase of CO2 and fertilizer. This throws the data way off and leads to false conclusions:</p>
<p>“Even with the scientific shortcomings of the survey, it shows that with a few improvements, algae is much better than terrestrial plants as a fuel source. The truth is that the algae industry is already well beyond the obvious improvements these authors suggest, and as we add these new efficiencies, algae will become much more environmentally beneficial.”<br />
—Dr. Stephen Mayfield, director of the San Diego Center for Algae Biotechnology</p>
<p>See “Algal Biomass Organization Questions Findings of Recent Algae Life Cycle Study”:</p>
<p>“ABO said that the report was based upon obsolete data and “grossly outdated” business models, and overlooked tremendous improvements in technology and processes across the production cycle.”  (Green Car Congress)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Rucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings, 
I have been in the algae to fuel business for many years, actually I was responsible for the company that drove the first car on algae biofuel - so after the DOE guys I would be high on the grandfathers list of this business. 
My only response is when we compare algae other feed stock for biofuel, let use what is already produced and convert that first (wild algae populations) - and the other point is !!!
What Is The Real Cost Of Fuel !!! What are we paying for and how much is costs to produce from the energy, environmental and sociological point – 
“Try making it form the start” !!! 
Then you really understand how much it really cost to make fuel, and how little we are all currently paying !!!
Algae Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,<br />
I have been in the algae to fuel business for many years, actually I was responsible for the company that drove the first car on algae biofuel &#8211; so after the DOE guys I would be high on the grandfathers list of this business.<br />
My only response is when we compare algae other feed stock for biofuel, let use what is already produced and convert that first (wild algae populations) &#8211; and the other point is !!!<br />
What Is The Real Cost Of Fuel !!! What are we paying for and how much is costs to produce from the energy, environmental and sociological point –<br />
“Try making it form the start” !!!<br />
Then you really understand how much it really cost to make fuel, and how little we are all currently paying !!!<br />
Algae Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Univenture and AlgaeVenture Systems philosophy utilizes waste energies from collocated facilities including heat, with an additional requirement for suitable water-cooling resources (geothermal, river, or body of water), CO2 waste gas, and nutrient/organic wastes. The targeted industries are power generation, wastewater, livestock, food waste, biomass waste, landfill, and various industrial concerns. The resulting systems will provide resource conservation, improved water and air quality while producing large quantities of biomass for utilization for fuel, feed, food, fertilizer, and other advanced materials or products. This integrated strategy will result in a leap forward for sustainability strategies, which can be implemented by a variety of concerns while lowering the floor to capital &amp; expense viability. Univenture firmly believes the primary path forward for fuels from algae will require capital cost sharing with collocated facilities along with an evolutionary path to the profit floor of fuel. Justification of capital cost share comes from cleaner water and air through a variety of considerations, including: ecological, social, energy policies, and national security justifications. Solar energy is one contributing direct energy source, not the sole source other organic carbon sources can provide massive additional energy to obtain lipids. Enclosed systems offer tremendous advantages for control, optimization, continual processing, and resource (water) conservation. These philosophies allow for algae to be grown for fuel and other products economically and virtually anywhere the natural and industrial resources can be utilized in an economically balanced combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Univenture and AlgaeVenture Systems philosophy utilizes waste energies from collocated facilities including heat, with an additional requirement for suitable water-cooling resources (geothermal, river, or body of water), CO2 waste gas, and nutrient/organic wastes. The targeted industries are power generation, wastewater, livestock, food waste, biomass waste, landfill, and various industrial concerns. The resulting systems will provide resource conservation, improved water and air quality while producing large quantities of biomass for utilization for fuel, feed, food, fertilizer, and other advanced materials or products. This integrated strategy will result in a leap forward for sustainability strategies, which can be implemented by a variety of concerns while lowering the floor to capital &amp; expense viability. Univenture firmly believes the primary path forward for fuels from algae will require capital cost sharing with collocated facilities along with an evolutionary path to the profit floor of fuel. Justification of capital cost share comes from cleaner water and air through a variety of considerations, including: ecological, social, energy policies, and national security justifications. Solar energy is one contributing direct energy source, not the sole source other organic carbon sources can provide massive additional energy to obtain lipids. Enclosed systems offer tremendous advantages for control, optimization, continual processing, and resource (water) conservation. These philosophies allow for algae to be grown for fuel and other products economically and virtually anywhere the natural and industrial resources can be utilized in an economically balanced combination.</p>
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