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		<title>By: Book Review &#8211; Power Grab - Domestic Fuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Book Review &#8211; Power Grab - Domestic Fuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] majority of solar and wind manufacturing is taking place in Europe and Asia. I also agreed with his assessment of environmentalists. &#8220;The truth is the greens have fought &#8220;renewable&#8221; plants as aggressively as they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] majority of solar and wind manufacturing is taking place in Europe and Asia. I also agreed with his assessment of environmentalists. &#8220;The truth is the greens have fought &#8220;renewable&#8221; plants as aggressively as they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Steenblik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Steenblik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanna,

Let&#039;s start by taking the argument that the ethanol tax credit (VEETC) benefits the oil industry, not the ethanol producer. If that is the case (which it isn&#039;t all the time), then how can environmental groups be faulted for opposing it?

On the other hand, your claim that the ethanol tariff confers &quot;subsidies that actually go to the oil industry&quot; makes no sense. A tariff on a product such as ethanol raises the domestic price of that product, benefitting domestic producers of that product, especially when combined with a government mandate forcing a minimum level of consumption of that product.

Your assertion that the environmental movement ignorred subsidies to the oil industry and did not hold it accountable for their greenhouse gas emissions would be hillarious if it were not so astounding. Clearly you have done no research on the activities of the environmental movement, or choose to be blind to its efforts. Environmental groups, including Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace, have been attacking oil subsidies and oil pollution (and GHG emissions) for decades.

And, by the way, most estimates I see of subsidies to U.S. oil and natural gas place the numbers in the range of at most tens of billions a year (significantly less per gallon than the VEETC), not hundreds of billions a year. Are you perhaps confusing U.S. oil subsidies with estimates of global subsidies (mainly provided by developing and emerging economies) to keep consumer prices of fossil-fuels artificially low?

&quot;In essence, the environmental movement is preserving our dependence on dirty fossil fuels.&quot; No it isn&#039;t: it is fighting for the proper pricing of fossil fuels (which would encourage conservation), improved transport efficiency, and improved non-fossil-fuel transport options (including bicycle infrastructure). Many environmental groups are not opposed to truly sustainable biofuels.

That all said, I would welcome an across-the-board analysis of all the potential energy strategies and solutions on the table, and even a Congressional enquiry into the actions of environmental organizations. While we&#039;re at it, let&#039;s also increase the transparency on all the biofuel lobbying organizations, and their hired guns in academia and among certain consultants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanna,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start by taking the argument that the ethanol tax credit (VEETC) benefits the oil industry, not the ethanol producer. If that is the case (which it isn&#8217;t all the time), then how can environmental groups be faulted for opposing it?</p>
<p>On the other hand, your claim that the ethanol tariff confers &#8220;subsidies that actually go to the oil industry&#8221; makes no sense. A tariff on a product such as ethanol raises the domestic price of that product, benefitting domestic producers of that product, especially when combined with a government mandate forcing a minimum level of consumption of that product.</p>
<p>Your assertion that the environmental movement ignorred subsidies to the oil industry and did not hold it accountable for their greenhouse gas emissions would be hillarious if it were not so astounding. Clearly you have done no research on the activities of the environmental movement, or choose to be blind to its efforts. Environmental groups, including Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace, have been attacking oil subsidies and oil pollution (and GHG emissions) for decades.</p>
<p>And, by the way, most estimates I see of subsidies to U.S. oil and natural gas place the numbers in the range of at most tens of billions a year (significantly less per gallon than the VEETC), not hundreds of billions a year. Are you perhaps confusing U.S. oil subsidies with estimates of global subsidies (mainly provided by developing and emerging economies) to keep consumer prices of fossil-fuels artificially low?</p>
<p>&#8220;In essence, the environmental movement is preserving our dependence on dirty fossil fuels.&#8221; No it isn&#8217;t: it is fighting for the proper pricing of fossil fuels (which would encourage conservation), improved transport efficiency, and improved non-fossil-fuel transport options (including bicycle infrastructure). Many environmental groups are not opposed to truly sustainable biofuels.</p>
<p>That all said, I would welcome an across-the-board analysis of all the potential energy strategies and solutions on the table, and even a Congressional enquiry into the actions of environmental organizations. While we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s also increase the transparency on all the biofuel lobbying organizations, and their hired guns in academia and among certain consultants.</p>
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		<title>By: Farmer John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farmer John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, 

Your video doesn&#039;t make sense. VEETC has never had anything to do with ethanol plants. It&#039;s a  &quot;blenders credit&quot;. What it would affect is domestic production of ethanol in America based on foreign ethanol market penetration making the United States dependent on both oil and ethanol, moving our jobs and dollars out of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>Your video doesn&#8217;t make sense. VEETC has never had anything to do with ethanol plants. It&#8217;s a  &#8220;blenders credit&#8221;. What it would affect is domestic production of ethanol in America based on foreign ethanol market penetration making the United States dependent on both oil and ethanol, moving our jobs and dollars out of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Winnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Winnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, in the case of Valero, ethanol IS their product.  For the other oil companies, ethanol is in competition for selling more volume of a product they own--gasoline.  The mention of the VEETC above was to make the point that it is hard to figure out WHAT THE HECK is going on with the environmental groups, who receive many millions of dollars of petroleum industry funds, who have petroleum industry insiders on their boards, and at the same time oppose VEETC.  The other oil companies would just like to see corn ethanol to go away...like biodiesel is without its tax credit.  The VEETC now is worth many millions to each petroleum company; HOWEVER, the elimination of biofuels would be worth many tens of BILLIONS were that to occur.  Also--since the oil companies are buying up positions in 2nd generation biofuels, they will handsomely profit from those and keep tax credits in place through their friends in Congress, when those are ready to move forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, in the case of Valero, ethanol IS their product.  For the other oil companies, ethanol is in competition for selling more volume of a product they own&#8211;gasoline.  The mention of the VEETC above was to make the point that it is hard to figure out WHAT THE HECK is going on with the environmental groups, who receive many millions of dollars of petroleum industry funds, who have petroleum industry insiders on their boards, and at the same time oppose VEETC.  The other oil companies would just like to see corn ethanol to go away&#8230;like biodiesel is without its tax credit.  The VEETC now is worth many millions to each petroleum company; HOWEVER, the elimination of biofuels would be worth many tens of BILLIONS were that to occur.  Also&#8211;since the oil companies are buying up positions in 2nd generation biofuels, they will handsomely profit from those and keep tax credits in place through their friends in Congress, when those are ready to move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you explain that VALERO (huge ethanol producer!) said yesterday they don&#039;t need the VEETC?!? See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt57ObCEV5s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you explain that VALERO (huge ethanol producer!) said yesterday they don&#8217;t need the VEETC?!? See <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt57ObCEV5s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt57ObCEV5s</a></p>
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