DF Cast: Study Shows E15 OK in Older Vehicles
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has given the green light for E15 ethanol to be used in vehicle years 2001-2007. But what about older cars and trucks?
In this edition of the Domestic Fuel Cast, we listen in to part of the presentation by Ricardo, an internationally recognized automotive and engineering firm, at the Iowa Renewable Fuels Summit, where the company made the case that E15 is OK for vehicles made between 1994 and 2000.
We hear from Ricardo’s Rod Beazley, who explains why they looked at this group of cars and trucks, the challenges involved in the testing, and why the fuel tanks were actually more likely to corrode from the outside and not from the E15 on the inside (the picture on the right is quite telling).
It’s an interesting presentation, and you can see the slide show here and hear what Beazley has to say here: Domestic Fuel Cast
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John
Why o’ why are we so hellbent on using corn to produce a bad and inefficeint fuel like ethanol whe there is a far superior fuel with far far less problems than ethanol?
why are we not going after BUTANOL???
wHY ARE WE NOT USING OTHER MORE PROMISING STOCK: i.e. switch grass, algea. sugar beets, sorgham and sugar cane? why corn?????
Cindy Zimmerman
John – Why? Simple. Corn was the easiest to start with. Had to start somewhere. Without corn, you would not be able to build the infrastructure and demand needed to develop the next generation.
Steve_V
John
Also, at last years prices, butanol used 2 dollars of sugar to produce and ethanol was at $1.50. You don’t have the cooling effect with butanol as you do with ethanol and thus you will loose some of the advantage that ethanol has to offer for efficiency.
Joanne Ivancic
John, financing pilot and demonstration plants for technologies that have never been done before is not cheap and not easy. If advanced biofuels got the same kind of government support that the nuclear industry got from initial research to development as a public utility, we’d be filling our tanks with biogasolines, biojet fuels, renewable diesels, etc.
Investors have to be in for the long haul in an industry that relies on commodities as feedstock/input and as product/output. Not like the IT world or the pharmaceutical industry that have no “bricks and mortar,” no permitting, no construction engineering, no smokestacks, etc.
The technologies are there. Any help you can provide in arranging financing, especially in these difficult economic times, would be most appreciated.
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Francis Patrick
Why o’ why are we so hellbent on using corn to produce a bad and inefficeint fuel like ethanol whe there is a far superior fuel with far far less problems than ethanol?
why are we not going after BUTANOL???
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT ETHANOL IS AN INEFFICIENT FUEL? NO, IT’S GASOLINE THAT IS INEFFICIENT. ETHANOL IS CURRENTLY BEING USED IN ENGINES DESIGNED FOR GASOLINE, THAT’S WHY IT DOESN’T GET BETTER MPG’S. ETHANOL SHOULD BE USED IN ENGINES DESIGNED FOR ETHANOL.
Timothy
The mileage loss with E10 was significant enough that I burned almost 50 more gallons of gas. E15 will only be worse, how is that helping anyone to be less dependent on foreign oil?
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Gerald
First ethanol is not a bad fuel, performance engines prove yhat the cooling effect is put to better use in engines utilizing higher compression, like the new Buick Regal Turbo, or a conventinal high compression V-8 LS-3 it improves on this fuel and can run a bit cooler, but when optimzed in ECM mapping it realy comes to life,and with more low end torque we need to push on the gas less hence better economy, it would seem the OEM’s cater to junk regular fuel of low octane due to overall cost of that fuel , and instead of using the ethanol to raise the octane the blend it with worse fuel .
We are proving this senareo and will have reports to prove this,it does not matter where the ethanol; comes from we will need all , but we need infastructure to be able to purchase this clean fuel free of toxins and we need to tell the OEM’s to build cars to make better use of the fuel it is possible and only 3 % of world grain goes to make fuel, and we still pay not to plant 86 million acres of land, as does the world about 1 billion acres, corn also makes cheap feed and countless bi-products , but we will need all, drilling more oil will be needed as well but getting it from far away places is getting more expensive too…
Gerald
I wish some one would show the hydrous ethanol ( water ethanol ) engine work that was done and still going on for irrigation and power generation some using old school 454 create motors form GM running for years on this truly clean fuel with out damage imagine over 40 year old tech with fuel injection and water ethanol for fuel cool running and powerful. just down size the technology for the family car variable cam timing, and turbo boost regulating for performance and program to squeeze every drop of HP from this clean fuel produced by farmers not JIHADERS,
You could plant your grasses where their is grass now along fields and if corn won’t grow try sugar beets , soil types and growing seasons make a difference production cost are a whole other story, the feild to wheels study has proven that it take less energy than oil to gas and with no toxic side products,also we know how to make older engines come to life on this fuel, they run cleaner and look like new when torn down after testing , we can have our cake and eat it too
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